millbrook-station

Hi Folks,

I'm Looking to buy a quality nailer and compressor. Can't stand loud compressor that wake the dead and would rather not run 50' plus feet on hose. The heaviest use might be some light framing, 2" 18 gauge likely to be majority use. Oil less appeals to me because I'm forgetful. Looking at a portable Rigid combo package at HD. I'd appreciate your input. Thank you.

Regards,

Da.

GeorgeC

It is simple, if you do not like noise stay away from the oil less.

G

Tony B

Let me start by quoting George C... "It is simple, if you do not like noise stay away from the oil less."
Then my next statement is to possibly rethink your potential use of an air compressor. If you were to buy a 60 Gal unit with a 3.5 HP or larger motor for around $450 new, you would also be able to use air sanders and spray equipment. Once you use air nailers you will never want to pick up a hammer again. Well, once you use air sanders...same thing, and once you spray....ditto.

Give it some thought

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Jacktoo

Please don't take this the wrong way! Rigid is made in China and I think we have lost enough jobs to China! Americans still make air compressors at about 20% higher. One question to think about is where do you get parts or repair if your compressor fails, try finding a part or repair for a Rigid! Everyone wants the best price! But at what cost to the american people!!!! Maybe not your job today but what about tomorrow?

frankp

Jacktoo, Ridgid is very easy to get repaired, here in the USA. Using jobs in China as an excuse not to buy a good quality tool at a good price is simply short sighted. We are China's largest importer and the largest exporter to China as well. As such, our economies are now permanently tied to each other.

I suspect you'll find many of the good quality tools are built in China, at least in part.

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woodman42

Jacktoo, I agree with you. I will always try to buy American first. ( Not an easy task) I would gladly pay more for a tool made here than abroad.
I also have to agree with Frank in part. There are many online parts companies that provide parts for most power tools and equipment.
Now to the original question, I'm not a big fan of rigid tools so I don't have much opinion on the rigid combo.
I have several oil less compressors. Craftsmen-very noisy, Porter Cable-very noisy, Dewalt-Emglo-not as noisy. Also I have found that you can buy mufflers for some brands to help reduce the noise. The Emglo is a great compressor, not as noisy and will keep up with two gun operation and sprayers very well. The only issue that I have had with it are the gauges. Had both of them blow out about a week apart. Note: both gauges made in China. Replaced with new gauges made in USA, no more problems.

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mike65072

I have a Dewalt/Emglo model D55140 1 gal oil less compressor I bought on Amazon a couple of years ago for a little over a hundred dollars. I have owned several compressors over the years and this one is by far the quietest and most portable of any of them. It only weighs 24lbs and when it runs it is just a hummmmm. Obviously, with a one gallon tank you are limited as to the tools you can use, but it's great for pin and finish nailers. I have used it with my framing nailer on samll jobs a couple of times and it worked fine. Good luck, Mike

Jacktoo

FrankP Did you ever wonder why we are so tight with China? They own most of our national debt! I never said they were not an ok tool, I'm just saying everyone should be concerned about our jobs lost in manufacturing already! I'm sure you've heard of Sauder's woodworking and cabinets. I heard They started importing some cabinets and Americans were let go in the process! Weather its true or not, I don't really know. WE the people have to bring our jobs back! If you think big brother is going to do it, you're sadly mistaken! Too much Greed at the top! I could say alot more but I won't. But if you ask I will. It's been fun and I like all you guys and gals!

frankp

jacktoo, obviously we have differing opinions about the China issue. I'm very familiar with the fact that China holds a large portion of our debt, but that's because we, as a country, were stupid enough to get into debt in the first place by not making other countries pay on their loans from us when we were flush, by overspending on any number of domestic and international concerns, and by allowing ourselves to be a debt driven society all the way from individuals to the national level.

I get sick and tired of people whining and crying about poor quality goods coming from China, when that isn't necessarily fact. Yes, there is crap coming out of China, just like there is crap coming out of the USA. There is also good stuff coming out of China, just like there is good quality coming from the USA. The same can be said of any country's manufacturing, and has far more to do with the company selling a product and their quality control than where that particular product is produced. If you said, Ridgid is crap because they aren't checking their quality control very well, I'd be far more inclined to agree with you (although Ridgid may be a poor example of that particular problem). I get tired of people whining about jobs being shipped to cheaper markets. If jobs are your concern, how about fixing the real problem... IE fighting the rise in costs for jobs here at home. It's not China's fault that manufacturing jobs here are too expensive because of people's expected standard of living, or unions, or whatever else is causing people to expect more for the same work.

I've never heard of Sauder's, but if it's in their benefit to use outsourcing to stay in business, here in the USA, then good for them. The fact is most people bitch and complain when companies outsource, but it's we who are causing this, not the companies actually doing it.

I don't happen to feel outsourcing is bad. I come from a different perspective though, and I have a job that can not be outsourced, by law. (I work as a defense contractor right now) so take my opinions as what they are, coming from a fairly privileged minority that has the benefit of not being worried about my own job... I am also married to a Chinese woman and have lived overseas for several years. I see both sides of this argument with a little different level of exposure than many so my politics are a bit different as a result.

You vote with your wallet, and I applaud that from you. It's the right choice if you feel outsourcing is bad. It's the only choice, if you feel outsourcing is bad, because it's the only vote corporations will care about. I would say the only thing better would be to let each company know that the reason you're not buying their product is the outsourcing. If more of us were more concerned about jobs here in the USA rather than the extra $20 cheaper for that particular tool, or electronic gadget, or whatever, then outsourcing wouldn't be an issue.

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millbrook-station

Thanks for the responses Guys. I'm in the box stores all the time so I see their product and selection. I'm not married to any brand in particular. I have a mixed bag of Dewalt and Rigid power tools that have served me well so far. With respect to the nailer and compressor performance,portability,loudness and then price would be my order of importance. I would not be detracted from paying extra $$'s for a lesser known high performance product. Again, thanks for the input.

Regards,

Da.

John in Tennessee

Jump on craigslist and get your cash out. I have a Campbell Hausfeld 60 gal. 2 cylinder with a cast iron case and a 7HP 220 motor. I bought it knowing it had some problems. It's finally broke in and has quiented down a bit. For some unknown reasom a v-twin model seems to be quieter. I'm runnibg Mobil 1 and it's just a humming away.

I'm not sure where it's made nut CH has a huge building up the road from me. I know the parts I ordered came from there.

Jacktoo

FrankP Do you ever read or think before you write! My very first line was PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY! It's obvious you did and now I get your family history! No I don't vote with my wallet but I do care about our future! Maybe you should try it sometime! I think you should have a little compassion for others that don't have jobs that are protected by law. Just so you know, my wife is also chinese and she loves our great country. Have a nice day!

Tony B

I'm impressed. I really am. To be able to write a long detailed letter without really turning it into a political issue. My hat is off to you.

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frankp

TonyB, thank you.

To millbrook station, I'm sorry if I've hijacked your thread with my well-meaning, but obviously misplaced post. I should have at least tried to directly answer your question.

jacktoo, clearly I read and think before I write. Writing in all caps doesn't get your point across any more clearly than taking jabs at people you don't know anything about. I gave you my background so you could understand better the perspective I hold and how/why it differs from yours. As for compassion, once again, you don't know me. I have plenty of compassion, I just think people should defend their jobs with more than simple rhetoric like "buy American" and they should be willing to compromise more if they think their job is at stake. You said yourself that greed caused this problem, and I can assure you it wasn't my greed. I'll not post any further on this topic so as not to make this any worse than it already is. If you feel like you need to continue the conversation, I'll more than happily debate/discuss this issue with you via private messages.

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gregL

Take a look at the makita portable compressors. They are quiet and dependable. Will handle most all nail gun needs. I have a large compressor in my shop but it is not portable. When I needed a portable compressor to do some renovations on my house I borrowed the Makita from my brother was very impressed with it.

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garryswf

I have two compressers - one is a porter cable oilless, very noisey but light. The other is an emglo, very heavy but alot quieter. I have owned the emglo for over 20 yrs. and can't seem to kill it, Made in USA!!

Jacktoo

FrankP Once again you write before you read! I said greed at the top, and I also said my wife is chinese and we send money to her family all the time in China and were proud of it! So don't tell me I know nothing about other people. Just so you know I was in vietnam helping people. Were you? All this because I pointed out that not all USA products are much higher in cost. You're right about one thing, this topic is done! Have a wonderful day to all and God bless the USA

johnjf0622

With the experience I had with them for a motor problem, I will never make a investment for anything Ridgid over 100 dollars. I guess that leaves Ridgid out of my tool collection

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jdp8402

Let me ask you this, would you run your car without oil? Probley not. A compressor has a piston that goes up and down in a cylinder just like a car motor. An oil-less compressor might last you a little while but it will never last as long as an oiled compressor. What ever you decide make sure you keep the water out of it. Your compressor and air tools will last alot longer.

dbhost

I have a Central Pnuematic 40400 (Don't start up on the China thing, I don't want to hear it.), and it is an oil lubricated compressor. Yes it is loud. It is after all an air compressor. There are quieter models out there, but none that fit my needs which where.
#1. Physical size. I have a specific spot for the compressor, and it MUST stay in that spot. (Small shop issues).
#2. Capacity / CFM @ a given pressure. This compressor has the capacity to run ALL of my tools, one at a time. Yes it cycles a LOT when I use it for spraying. This is NOT a surprise. This is also not why I bought the compressor.
#3. Availability.
#4. Oil lubrication.
#5. Cost. Let's face it. A $100.00 compressor fit into my budget. A $400.00 after tax compressor did not.

Honestly, I would have stretched my budget to meet the DeWalt D55168. A frew friends have these. Plenty of capacity, MUCH quieter than mine, but still loud, good warranty etc... However the size was unworkable. I HAD to have it under 29' tall to fit where I am putting this...

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