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So I made this nice towel rack, but now I can't figure out how I'm going to hang the darn thing on the wall without adding some kind of unsightly metal brackets. I had planned to use molly screws through a few holes in the top, rear rail and I probably still can, but I can't fit the drill between the top two rails and if I go from the back I really don't have a way to countersink them.. Any suggestions that won't stick out like a sore thumb?

By the way there will be thin slats atop those two rails for a shelf..

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Plunge router and a key hole bit.
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Plunge router and a key hole bit.
I used one for another rack I made for my daughter awhile back. I did think about it as well, but now it's assembled and glued up and nailed.. Part of me just didn't plan very well ahead with this.. I suppose I could get it in the vise and chop it out with a chisel.. Oy...
Maybe rip out the drywall from the other side of the wall and..... nahhh.. lol

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Which side is going to face the wall? You should be able to just lay it on the face opposite the one that will hang on the wall, and use the plunge router to put keyholes, I wouldn't think you'd "need" a vice.

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I once did a relatively open shelf by making a form of French Cleat for the top rail. Actually, I'd probably call it an American Cleat as it doesn't involve any bevel cuts. What I did was use my biscuit joiner to put slots in the underside of the top rail of the shelf. I made a matching board with aligned slots in the top of it and screwed it to the wall with countersunk molly bolts. I used plug buttons to cover the screws. Biscuits are loose fitted into the wall part of the mount and the shelf hangs on the wall board with the biscuits keeping things from sliding around. I used #20 biscuits and the thing has been hanging in my Granddaughter's bedroom for about 10 years now with no problems.

Or.... you could use this situation as justification for buying a right angle drill to get in between the top rails.

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So I made this nice towel rack, but now I can't figure out how I'm going to hang the darn thing on the wall without adding some kind of unsightly metal brackets. I had planned to use molly screws through a few holes in the top, rear rail and I probably still can, but I can't fit the drill between the top two rails and if I go from the back I really don't have a way to countersink them.. Any suggestions that won't stick out like a sore thumb?

By the way there will be thin slats atop those two rails for a shelf..
Here's one idea, no better than the others. Drill the mounting holes from the back, then make 1" x 1"x 1/4" decorative square "washers" out of something darker and think of it as an interesting design element. I sometimes do that when I want to use a flathead bolt but want more than just the round bolt head in wood. Here's one in blackened bronze set flush to walnut, but I'm thinking yours would look fine sitting proud of the rail.
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Use a 90 angle attachment for your drill. 90 degree drill angle attachment

I do not know the spacing between the rails nor your drill size. However, I have a 12 volt Craftsman Nextec drill that I think would work without the attachment.

I would want the towel rack solidly mounted to the wall and not just hanging there.

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You know..The molly screws might still work. The Mrs wants it mounted low on the wall. (don't ask why, but she does) The slats that will makeup the shelf will cover the screw heads.. Neither of us sits THAT low on the commode to see them..I might see them if I decide to take a nap on the bathroom floor, but I don't drink enough anymore for that scenario.. As much as I hate the idea I might end up having to add a few L brackets on the bottom.
As for the plunge router..don't have one although I probably will at some point in my life.. I have a router, but it's more of a shelf decoration than anything..

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Use a 90 angle attachment for your drill. 90 degree drill angle attachment

I do not know the spacing between the rails nor your drill size. However, I have a 12 volt Craftsman Nextec drill that I think would work without the attachment.

I would want the towel rack solidly mounted to the wall and not just hanging there.

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I have a corded, cordless, and 90 degree adapter. They don't see much use, but when you need them, they are worth owning...
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I don't use it a lot but a lot more then I thought I would, very handy in tight spots
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You are going to use the heavy duty fasteners like these, right?
https://www.lowes.com/pd/TOGGLER-10-...-Bolts/3183831
They come in different load capacity and quantity. They work great and will hold your rack in place.

I would drill a hole just a little larger than the bolt, then stick the bolt through and "mark" the wall. Drill the 1/2 inch hole in the drywall and mount the anchor.

If your rack spans a stud or two, mark and drill pilot holes also for lag screws (or wood screws of your choice). Using the wall anchor, mount your rack and level using the wall anchor. Then drive the lag screw(s) into the stud(s).

It worked for me when I installed floating shelves.

Good luck.
Post some pics when you get it mounted.
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You are going to use the heavy duty fasteners like these, right?
https://www.lowes.com/pd/TOGGLER-10-...-Bolts/3183831
They come in different load capacity and quantity. They work great and will hold your rack in place.

I would drill a hole just a little larger than the bolt, then stick the bolt through and "mark" the wall. Drill the 1/2 inch hole in the drywall and mount the anchor.

If your rack spans a stud or two, mark and drill pilot holes also for lag screws (or wood screws of your choice). Using the wall anchor, mount your rack and level using the wall anchor. Then drive the lag screw(s) into the stud(s).

It worked for me when I installed floating shelves.

Good luck.
Post some pics when you get it mounted.
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Toggle, yes indeed. I always called them Molly screws and that's probably a completely different setup.. The original plan was to be wide enough to hit both studs in the wall at both ends and I indeed had it measured just for that, but somewhere along the way I made a different mark too short and got to anxious to trim the pieces and well, you can guess what happened..I know..measure twice, cut once and that turned out to be the problem. It should be measure twice CORRECTLY and THEN cut once..not measure incorrectly twice....
I'm blaming the whole mess on baseball season. My Reds have actually been winning this season so far..

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Use a 90 angle attachment for your drill. 90 degree drill angle attachment

I do not know the spacing between the rails nor your drill size. However, I have a 12 volt Craftsman Nextec drill that I think would work without the attachment.

I would want the towel rack solidly mounted to the wall and not just hanging there.

George
I decided that someday I'll be finished buying tools I'll only use once every few years or so..
In the meanwhile I want this thing sticking to the wall on a regular basis and not falling off every two weeks..The Mrs suggested those crappy foam sticky things.. That ain't happening..

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I just looked up molly screws and they're those collapsable junkie things.. Toggle is what I was talking about, not molly's ..

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In the old days we used a screw driver to drive screws, a "stubby" if space was tight, just sayin'.

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In the old days we used a screw driver to drive screws, a "stubby" if space was tight, just sayin'.
What? No app for that on Google Playstore?
Give it time. Somehow I can even imagine a day when someone comes up with virtual woodworking and saws, sandpaper and all these things are just virtual tools nobody actually uses for pleasure.. That's the day I write a virtual shotgun app to blow my virtual brains out. Lol
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What about a French cleat?

Measure 6 times, cut 3. Plane it down wrong and go buy a second board.
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Have recently hung a large (3 foot X 5 foot) wide framed bathroom mirror using a 2 piece metal French cleat mounted to the wall studding. So far it is holding up very well. Be safe.
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And here tis.. 2 toggle screws/bolts and 2 wood screws at the bottom attached with small L brackets.. Somehow I actually managed to find the studs for the L brackets. I drilled for toggles for them on one side and soon realized there was solid wood behind the bit of drywall..
Anyway, horrible lighting in the bathroom.. It's on nice and solid.. It ain't going anywhere short of a tornado or fire..
Amazing how bad lighting shows every single flaw.. It looks much better in person..lol
Now she wants a towel warmer like Jackie O had in her mansion.. Yeah..that's gonna happen right away..
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