A couple questions! - Woodworking Talk

Thatguy101 · 02-09-2009, 05:21 PM

Hey guys this is my first post!

Now for the questions....

1) Im trying to glue a carbon fiber sheet to a peice of veneer but I am wondering what glue to use.

2) Also I was wondering what to use to shape/sand a small peices of veneers ( 4 1/2 inches tall by 1 1/2 inches wide). I was thinking about using a belt sander but I have to buy a new one. So I was wondering if there was a cheaper way.

3) What do you guys think is the best wood glue? (Titebond II, Elmers...etc)

Thanks for reading and I hope you guys can help

steve mackay · 02-09-2009, 06:25 PM

Well, I'm an Elmer's kinda guy. Yellow carpenter's. For me (out here in orbit) the Tite Bond has to much plastic in it and changes different colors at different temps. If its a smidgen to cold it turns an icky whitish yellow. A bit to warm and it goes dark brown. HOT and I get dark orange. And it won't wash out of your jeans. Now if I were sistering floor beams I'd use Tite Bond. Brutal stuff ! As to veneer . . . all I've done is re-glue / repair . . . with Elmer's.

Thatguy101 · 02-09-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by steve mackay

Well, I'm an Elmer's kinda guy. Yellow carpenter's. For me (out here in orbit) the Tite Bond has to much plastic in it and changes different colors at different temps. If its a smidgen to cold it turns an icky whitish yellow. A bit to warm and it goes dark brown. HOT and I get dark orange. And it won't wash out of your jeans. Now if I were sistering floor beams I'd use Tite Bond. Brutal stuff ! As to veneer . . . all I've done is re-glue / repair . . . with Elmer's.

Thanks, I guess ill go buy some elmers later. Do you know what glue to use for Carbon Fiber sheets? Or what to do for the sanding problem?

AZ Termite · 02-09-2009, 06:47 PM

If you have some way to support the veneer you could just use a hand held ROS or the like. Not too sure on the glue, being two dislike materials you may be better off with epoxy. I use only Titebond II and Titebond III in my shop. The II is yellow and the III is a brown. The III has a longer open time on it than the II does and it is waterproof. Hope this helps.

Thatguy101 · 02-09-2009, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AZ Termite

If you have some way to support the veneer you could just use a hand held ROS or the like. Not too sure on the glue, being two dislike materials you may be better off with epoxy. I use only Titebond II and Titebond III in my shop. The II is yellow and the III is a brown. The III has a longer open time on it than the II does and it is waterproof. Hope this helps.

So now I need some more opinions on the wood glue.

As for the carbon fiber, I heard epoxy resin works but I heard it doesnt. So I need more adive/research on that.

And for the sanding I am thinking about doing that or I get a mini belt sander for the job. I need more opinions on this though....

BHOFM · 02-09-2009, 07:30 PM

I have used CF on several boats and as I understand
it, epoxy is the only thing you can use.

The non CF material needs to be very rough, 80 grit
or worse. Do not over clamp, the strength of the joint
is the epoxy!

Vacuum bagging works best.

Sawduster · 02-09-2009, 08:00 PM

For the least expensive and most accurate way to shape the edges of the veneer, I'd consider a little drum sander on a Dremel.

GeorgeC · 02-09-2009, 08:03 PM

Epoxy will be the only thing that you will be happy with for the carbon fiber(CF).

G

Thatguy101 · 02-09-2009, 08:08 PM

Sanding:

So a dremel would work the best?

Carbon Fiber:

Epoxy as in Epoxy Resin....? Like whats the type of epoxy?

BHOFM · 02-09-2009, 08:17 PM

How much do you need??

Like epoxy is epoxy.

It just comes in different containers.

For small amounts. Lowes or HD.

For more check with boat places.

Thatguy101 · 02-09-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BHOFM

How much do you need??

Like epoxy is epoxy.

It just comes in different containers.

For small amounts. Lowes or HD.

For more check with boat places.

I need like the size of a normal bottle of wood glue. So at Lowes or HD I should ask for Epoxy Resin?

EDIT: I got another question... For the Carbon Fiber Sheets if I want it to bend as much as veneer what type of carbon fiber should I get? Panels? Raw Fabric? Something Else?

BHOFM · 02-09-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Thatguy101

I need like the size of a normal bottle of wood glue. So at Lowes or HD I should ask for Epoxy Resin?

I think at Lowes in comes in small tubes.
You need resin and hardener.

Check with your local hobby shops.

You can order it here.

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...poxy&search=Go

Thatguy101 · 02-09-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BHOFM

I think at Lowes in comes in small tubes.
You need resin and hardener.

Check with your local hobby shops.

You can order it here.

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...poxy&search=Go

Thanks man but before all that do you know For the Carbon Fiber Sheets if I want it to bend as much as veneer what type of carbon fiber should I get? Panels? Raw Fabric? Something Else?

cabinetman · 02-09-2009, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Thatguy101

Hey guys this is my first post!

Now for the questions....

1) Im trying to glue a carbon fiber sheet to a peice of veneer but I am wondering what glue to use.

2) Also I was wondering what to use to shape/sand a small peices of veneers ( 4 1/2 inches tall by 1 1/2 inches wide). I was thinking about using a belt sander but I have to buy a new one. So I was wondering if there was a cheaper way.

3) What do you guys think is the best wood glue? (Titebond II, Elmers...etc)

Thanks for reading and I hope you guys can help

You didn't say how thick the veneer was, and to what degree you need to sand. As for the glue, a solvent based contact cement should work fine. It will work on porous and non porous surfaces.

Thatguy101 · 02-09-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cabinetman

You didn't say how thick the veneer was, and to what degree you need to sand. As for the glue, a solvent based contact cement should work fine. It will work on porous and non porous surfaces.

The thickness is about the thickness of a regular maple veneer. Except I am going to stack 5 up glue them, mold them and then sand them. I need each edge to be sanded perfectly rounded sorta like a skateboard but much smaller.

cabinetman · 02-09-2009, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Thatguy101

The thickness is about the thickness of a regular maple veneer. Except I am going to stack 5 up glue them, mold them and then sand them. I need each edge to be sanded perfectly rounded sorta like a skateboard but much smaller.

Do you mean a veneer thickness of 1/32" or 1/40"?

Thatguy101 · 02-09-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cabinetman

Do you mean a veneer thickness of 1/32" or 1/40"?

I dont have any spare veneer sittin around but I think its .75mm