As per your request...My name is Charlie, I have been a carpenter/cabinetmaker for over 20 years I still have all of my fingers and not even a stitch from an accident. I usually do not join forums due to the fact that some ego's get in the way of practical suggestions, after careful review of several posts I did not see any of the usual...so I joined. There are always several different ways of completing a task, and each is allowed his own opinion. I apoligize to the guy with 14,000+ posts, I guess I do not have the experience to post on this site either. I will let you guys get back to ruling your roost.