Professionalism of this Forum - Woodworking Talk

MastersHand · 01-29-2012, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by johnray
Fire medic, a@@-h^^^% it isn't me. You sure are a trouble maker. whats your poblem? :
Ok Today I went on to a thread named " TableSaw Advice for a Newbie" I read entire thread and then at the very bottom I see a very Disturbing post by JohnRay which I immediately replied to. Out of pure curiosity I went and did a search of all JohnRay post and was more disturbed. Why you Ask? Well I'm going to tell you this is the most Professional Woodworking Forum Online. The wealth of Knowledge on this site is by far the best you will find. People come to this site seeking knowledge from true professionals. Your unprofessional attitude or anyone for that matter will not be Tolerated

woodnthings · 01-30-2012, 07:29 AM

This is the most "professional" forum out there because the Moderators have done a good job of monitoring the posts and the REPORTS of misuse of "selling outside the classified section", rude or profane posts and general breaking of forum rules.... until this guy came along. I have REPORTED him 3 times for all of the above nothing seems to be done. I'm baffled. The Mods clean up the swearing and abusive language then leave the thread alone, rather than ban the offender. Others have been banned in the past for far less. And there are others like us who feel the same way that we do. Speak up guys, now's your chance.....

Brink · 01-30-2012, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by woodnthings

This is the most "professional" forum out there because the Moderators have done a good job of monitoring the posts and the REPORTS of misuse of "selling outside the classified section", rude or profane posts and general breaking of forum rules.... until this guy came along. I have REPORTED him 3 times for all of the above nothing seems to be done. I'm baffled. The Mods clean up the swearing and abusive language then leave the thread alone, rather than ban the offender. Others have been banned in the past for far less. And there are others like us who feel the same way that we do. Speak up guys, now's your chance.....

+1
Everyone here gets teased about something or other.
If setting yourself up for jabbing will cause a profane, name calling response-please move on. Why continue?

I'm sure there are other venues this guy can use to hack his sizeable collection of stuff.

With the fortune being made off "feebay", why waste time on WWT? Why waste everyones time on WWT?

joesbucketorust · 01-30-2012, 08:48 AM

I flagged one of his responses yesterday. Just looking at the history of his posts I don't understand why he's lasted so long.

Taylormade · 01-30-2012, 09:34 AM

I kinda enjoy it... but I enjoy controversy.

firemedic · 01-30-2012, 11:41 AM

I agree with the sentiment that johnboy should have been banned long ago rather than just having his threads cleaned up.

Btw, for those that don't stalk him, johnray has gone on several cursing rants that were deleted as opposed to banning him. I really believe there is a wide line when it comes to curse words here as it depends on your definition and some are said in good fun and with no ill intent. Flying off in rages though, cursing or not, simply shouldn't be tolerated.

While we are on this topic:

There is no reason for threads here to go to hell like some do. We are all (mostly) adults and to have a wood measuring contest via forum post is incredibly laughable. Are people supposed to be intimidated by someone 500 miles away???

If you can't explain or argue a point with simplicity then you don't understand it and should just not post in the first place. JMHO

We all have varying levels of skill, I'd be below ground were it a totem pole, and that is what makes this forum great. It's a collection of ideas and information. I know that I'm by NO MEANS a model member when it comes to being gracious to each and every member here. I do have a pet member to haggle from time to time. Despite that I have got to say the last few months have been pins n needles here. I know it's probably the cold weather but seems every couple hrs someone spouts off an abrasive snide and counter productive comment followed by the dog pile... What's with that? None of us are perfect! Now I'm not saying guys like johnray don't deserve a dog pile... pack a lunch and go at it! The difference? It's obvious, he has proven himself to worthless over and over.

Give them new guys a lil break till they learn the ropes here though.

Heck I'm still a very new guy compared to a lot of members here and I do remember being a bit put off the first time someone told me (no pictures it didn't happen) on my intro thread... Not saying any names *cough* c-man *cough* *cough*.

sorry old boy, but I was a bit annoyed with you at first, lol, but quickly got over it as I learned the ropes here!

So anyway, I've ranted long enough.

If your opinion clashes with another, oh well. Grow up and be adults, screaming matches really lose their effect when written down

I think we need a ban vote button on every member... Maybe 15 members click ban in a 48 hr window and it's done.

While I'm sure it could be abused, it's also reviewable.

Just my $.02...

Have a great day, brothers & sisters!

--------------------------------------------- one day I'll be so good that I won't need this forum any longer... then I'll know I have full onset Dementia! ~tom

HandToolGuy · 01-30-2012, 12:00 PM

I am one a them new guys and I have to say that I probably made most of the mistakes new guys make except trying to sell something and busting out with a bunch of cussing. I have been treated very well and am pleased.

But I agree with firemedic: when somebody does break all the rules, there is still no call to get into a shouting match. Remember the three things that happen when you get into a fight with a pig: the pig has fun, you both get dirty and pretty soon nobody can tell the difference between you and the pig. So let's all just take a deep breath and try to use this forum the it was designed to be used.

MastersHand · 01-30-2012, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by HandToolGuy

I am one a them new guys and I have to say that I probably made most of the mistakes new guys make except trying to sell something and busting out with a bunch of cussing. I have been treated very well and am pleased.

But I agree with firemedic: when somebody does break all the rules, there is still no call to get into a shouting match. Remember the three things that happen when you get into a fight with a pig: the pig has fun, you both get dirty and pretty soon nobody can tell the difference between you and the pig. So let's all just take a deep breath and try to use this forum the it was designed to be used.

Now I'm sure I'm going to hear it from Firemedic but I want to say this because I respect you. Don't fall into the trap of losing it and posting something demeaning back. Use the knowledge of Woodworking to fight back not your anger and that is how we all need to be. CMan I never hear anything derogatory he always fires back with his experience and knowledge

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woodnthings · 01-30-2012, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MastersHand

Now I'm sure I'm going to hear it from Firemedic but I want to say this because I respect you. Don't fall into the trap of losing it and posting something demeaning back. Use the knowledge of Woodworking to fight back not your anger and that is how we all need to be. CMan I never hear anything derogatory he always fires back with his experience and knowledge

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It think it was Larry the Cable Guy who said you can't fix stupid...and you can't fight it either.

just sayin'
Sometimes it's better to take the high road and wait for the next time to ambush the bad guy ...old age and cunning will overcome youth and skill/enthusiasim everytime

bill

jiju1943 · 01-30-2012, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HandToolGuy

I am one a them new guys and I have to say that I probably made most of the mistakes new guys make except trying to sell something and busting out with a bunch of cussing. I have been treated very well and am pleased.

But I agree with firemedic: when somebody does break all the rules, there is still no call to get into a shouting match. Remember the three things that happen when you get into a fight with a pig: the pig has fun, you both get dirty and pretty soon nobody can tell the difference between you and the pig. So let's all just take a deep breath and try to use this forum the it was designed to be used.

Now that is funny but the truth. I have seen several times I have posted in anger then deleted the post, it just isn't worth it.

WillemJM · 01-30-2012, 03:09 PM

I come here to learn from others and share a hobby I really enjoy. Try to add value when I can.

If someone disagrees with me, that is perfectly OK. If the disagreeing person starts an argument which gets personal, it really does not matter to me. When this happens, I usually fall into the trap of having fun with the person, something I probably should not do.

It's about "Self Esteem"

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/self-esteem

and It's about "Egotism"

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egotism

The latter probably pertaining to those who get emotional when things don't go their way.

Most of the Politicians I have seen on CNN and Fox lately, unfortunately suffer from "Egotism".

firemedic · 01-30-2012, 06:25 PM

You guys are right, I shouldn't punch back... Sometimes it's just too easy though... I keep telling myself I'm done with him and then I see some bs from him, which at this point is just for attention, and I don't want to see a noob be steered wrong or some other member starts prodding me to say something, lol.

Any which way, I'll continue calling him out

but I'll quit stalking him, hahahaha

Oh and I didn't mean ANYTHING negative about Cman... Simply that I didn't understand the forum initially.

--------------------------------------------- one day I'll be so good that I won't need this forum any longer... then I'll know I have full onset Dementia! ~tom

Roger Newby · 01-30-2012, 07:00 PM

When you argue with an idiot, he'll drag you down to his level and whup you with experience.

It may be old but it's still true.

Paul W Gillespie · 02-20-2012, 10:55 AM

I was sad to get a PM about a WW friend on this site, who told me they would no longer be coming here due to the lack of forum decorum and nature of some people who now post. This is from a person who has been very helpful to people like myself, a noob. I have been a member since July 2010 and this site is the first place I come for WW info. Most everyone has been great and very kind to my questions, but a few can ruin it for everyone, by causing the old school, helpful posters to leave with their non-sense. This will lead to a board with none of the helpful posts, just the BS and I don't mean band saw.

This was becoming a problem on one of my great photography boards, sportsshooter.com and they took steps years ago to try and combat it. They installed a system where you could mark a post with one of five grades; informative, funny, huh, off topic or inappropriate. Sort of like the Thank You button we have here. This lead to some belly aching, but I think it also lead to people thinking more about what they were posting. I know that I didn't want to get a bad mark of inappropriate, huh or off topic. I did get a few, but they were from people who abused the grades and would hit them willy nilly, which can happen. If you got too many bad marks I am guessing it could lead to more severe consequences. Here is a link to a thread there so you can see. http://www.sportsshooter.com/message...html?tid=39657 While it might not be a fix all, it could be an idea that would help get the posts on track.

So to all you very helpful folks who are thinking of jumping ship, I ask you to reconsider and think about fighting for our site. Report the bad posts, make suggestions on what you want to make this site better and ask the owners to keep it the helpful place it is.

Thanks
Paul

**rrbrown** · 02-20-2012, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul W Gillespie

I was sad to get a PM about a WW friend on this site, who told me they would no longer be coming here due to the lack of forum decorum and nature of some people who now post. This is from a person who has been very helpful to people like myself, a noob. I have been a member since July 2010 and this site is the first place I come for WW info. Most everyone has been great and very kind to my questions, but a few can ruin it for everyone, by causing the old school, helpful posters to leave with their non-sense. This will lead to a board with none of the helpful posts, just the BS and I don't mean band saw.

This was becoming a problem on one of my great photography boards, sportsshooter.com and they took steps years ago to try and combat it. They installed a system where you could mark a post with one of five grades; informative, funny, huh, off topic or inappropriate. Sort of like the Thank You button we have here. This lead to some belly aching, but I think it also lead to people thinking more about what they were posting. I know that I didn't want to get a bad mark of inappropriate, huh or off topic. I did get a few, but they were from people who abused the grades and would hit them willy nilly, which can happen. If you got too many bad marks I am guessing it could lead to more severe consequences. Here is a link to a thread there so you can see. http://www.sportsshooter.com/message...html?tid=39657 While it might not be a fix all, it could be an idea that would help get the posts on track.

So to all you very helpful folks who are thinking of jumping ship, I ask you to reconsider and think about fighting for our site. Report the bad posts, make suggestions on what you want to make this site better and ask the owners to keep it the helpful place it is.

Thanks
Paul

Thanks for the post and I would agree it's sad that a few bad apples could cause good productive members to leave. I agree there have been allot of post mostly by just a select few that are not beneficial to the forum. We have a good forum and have at times had some heated topics but as i said in another thread we have since I've been a member self regulated really well. Most members are helpful, respectful and even though i have not met them personally I consider them friends and am pleased to be a part of a great forum.

I for one will stay and fight for the forum. I would encourage you to try and change your friends mind about leaving. I'm sure the mods are watching but it may be time for them to speak up and maybe do something before this stuff gets out of hand.

sawdustfactory · 02-20-2012, 01:42 PM

I just don't understand why every once in a while, someone or someones will get their knickers in a twist on here. We're all grown men (and women) and we all share a love of woodworking, otherwise why are we here? If you disagree with someone elses post, politely say so, ignore the post, or keep your mouth shut. There's no need for name calling and insult hurling. What does that accomplish?

One of the hard things is reading sarcasm and humor sometimes in a post. I've been guilty of this in the past on a different forum.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

Now why don't we all get busy making some sawdust!

Brink · 02-20-2012, 06:27 PM

Some of the attitudes have worn thin on me. The lack of professionalism, the berating of new members, insensitivity, aggressive behavior and nonsensical replies has reduced this once fine forum into a pathetic shouting match of people craving attention.

I have gained a priceless amount of knowledge here, and hopefully, was able to give some back to the other members.

For now, I will step back, and check in periodically.

MastersHand · 02-20-2012, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rrbrown

Thanks for the post and I would agree it's sad that a few bad apples could cause good productive members to leave. I agree there have been allot of post mostly by just a select few that are not beneficial to the forum. We have a good forum and have at times had some heated topics but as i said in another thread we have since I've been a member self regulated really well. Most members are helpful, respectful and even though i have not met them personally I consider them friends and am pleased to be a part of a great forum.

I for one will stay and fight for the forum. I would encourage you to try and change your friends mind about leaving. I'm sure the mods are watching but it may be time for them to speak up and maybe do something before this stuff gets out of hand.

Ok I would like my opportunity to speak on this after all it is My Thread. I can't help to think this is Directed at Me. You can say you think I am a bad apple or an unproductive member. However our posts and threads are all documented and monitored.

If you look at all my posts you will see that the Majority are very productive and I think a lot of Members would agree. I was off this site for awhile due to a Personal Matter. Since coming back I have committed myself to this Forum to share our common bond of the Passion of Wood working.

Some of you have had an issue with some of my posts and threads. Stress Relief was started to give us away to have a little fun in this stressful world we live in. From Economics, politics, war and our daily struggles we all deal with to insure we support our family's everyday. If that offended anyone simply ignore it.

You told me in the encrypted posts under the Thread One that you are "Personal Friends and have met a particular member. You then very much see the very opinionated replies on numerous posts and the sarcasm as well. But when I voice my strong opinions I'm condemned.

I went and re read a lot of my posts as well as others and did Defiantly see conversations that were Fueled and spoken with only anger and rage. For this I do apologize. With that said though I will continue to voice my sincere opinion on things I am passionate about but direct insults are not Professional and I agree with you.

I think of all of us as a Brotherhood who all share one common Bond. There are some true Friendships I have made on here. If we were all in the Military and were one unit. We would all automatically protect one another and watch out for each other to achieve one common goal.

We can't change things that were said in the past. However we can all come together as one Elite Unit that is what makes this the most Professional
Woodworking forum there is .

Sincerely ,
Christopher J Brickle

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cabinetman · 02-20-2012, 07:35 PM

Here's what I don't understand. Whenever there is a post about a personality conflict, members come out of the proverbial woodwork and post a reply. Incredible...just incredible.

In contrast, a post appears from a member who is genuinely interested in providing a tip or technique, and he'd be lucky to get more than one reply. This has happened to me on many occasions. I tried to figure out why nobody replied. Was it information that had no merit? Was it worded so poorly that it just bored the reader to death? Maybe it was too confusing?

I realize that if you tell something to somebody that they already know it's a waste of time. Maybe that's the case.

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GeorgeC · 02-20-2012, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MastersHand

Originally Posted by johnray
Fire medic, a@@-h^^^% it isn't me. You sure are a trouble maker. whats your poblem? :

Ok Today I went on to a thread named " TableSaw Advice for a Newbie" I read entire thread and then at the very bottom I see a very Disturbing post by JohnRay which I immediately replied to.

Out of pure curiosity I went and did a search of all JohnRay post and was more disturbed. Why you Ask? Well I'm going to tell you this is the most Professional Woodworking Forum Online. The wealth of Knowledge on this site is by far the best you will find. People come to this site seeking knowledge from true professionals. Your unprofessional attitude or anyone for that matter will not be Tolerated

"Fire medic, a@@-h^^^% it isn't me. You sure are a trouble maker. whats your poblem? :"

These three sentences have me lost.

Just who is it that you are saying is a trouble maiker?