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TS3660 · 06-27-2008, 02:44 PM

Isn't it sad that 4 of the supreme court justices took an oath to uphold the constitution and then voted against it? It shouldn't matter WHAT the constitution says, if you take an oath, then do what you promised. I mean, if justices that high don't uphold our constitution, then where are we headed? Don't get me wrong, I am glad for the outcome but astonished that the vote wasn't 9-0. Sorry for the rant. That's all I have to say.

Davet · 06-27-2008, 03:25 PM

Guess I can keep my guns now...
I was just getting ready to turn them in !

Don't ....think so scooter!

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Sad In my opinion, ... Yup...
But equally important is that we have the freedom
to change repeal laws and amendments....

Smart people, our forefarthers!

Handyman · 06-27-2008, 04:00 PM

What most people dont understand is laws that keep the law biding people from owning a gun is a bad thing. Law biding people that owns a gun is not the problem. its the criminals that is the problem. passing laws that making it ilegal for a home owner to have a gun will only be more insintive for criminals to make you a victum. No matter how many laws are past, the bad guys arent going to follow them. So who benifits from you not being able to own a gun. CRIMINALS DO

TS3660 · 06-27-2008, 04:20 PM

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But equally important is that we have the freedom
to change repeal laws and amendments....

Ok, so I am jumping back in here and I said I was done. The 2nd amendment is not a law that gives us the right to own guns. In fact, none of the rights in the Bill of Rights grant us anything. They simply RECOGNIZE the rights that God gave us. I know it's a technical point, but it is important non-the-less. Kind of like when people say the constitution says all men are equal. No, it says all men are CREATED equal. What you decide to do with your life after that is a personal decision and changes what you are entitled to. This is another technical point, but one that many missunderstand. We aren't GRANTED anything by the Bill of Rights. If we were, then government could "ungrant" those things. But instead, our forefathers saw to it that the BoR simply recognized what we already have. Yes, smart people those forefathers.

Yes, we can change things I guess. And it is ironic that since we have the right to vote, we therefore have the right to abolish the right to vote. Maybe not directly, but by voting for the wrong people. People that want to strip us of our freedom.

Another ironic thing, and this concerns the gun issue, is that even the anti-gun people need to realize that they wouldn't have the freedom to express their anti-gun stance if it weren't for guns.

JON BELL · 06-27-2008, 05:56 PM

Oh boy

jeffreythree · 06-27-2008, 07:32 PM

It was still a close vote, to many have been close over the past few years. I think the justices are as polarized as the general population. I have a concealed license, but have not carried in a few years. I don't even own a pistol anymore. The only reason I got one was because I used to carry a lot of cash for a company that cashed its own payroll checks. I was brought up to eat what I shot, and filet of thief just does not sound very tasty. I think there are hunters and there are gun owners, and the 2 are not necessarily the same.

jpw23 · 06-27-2008, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffreythree

I was brought up to eat what I shot, and filet of thief just does not sound very tasty. I think there are hunters and there are gun owners, and the 2 are not necessarily the same.

That first sentence is going to the extreme just a bit don't ya think? I am a hunter but, I will defend my family and not think twice about plugging someone trying to do my family harm. it really won't bother me to kick some creeps dead arse to the curb....now before you twist this all out of proportion...this does not mean that I would draw a gun just for the hell of it.....my family would have to be in real danger. I've been there and done just exactly what I said i would do.......self defense...nothing more.

skymaster · 06-27-2008, 11:33 PM

An armed society is a much more polite society

smitty1967 · 06-27-2008, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by skymaster

An armed society is a much more polite society

and a more safe one...DOJ and FBI statistics (I always hate to be the one quoting statistics) show that violent crimes against a person, in each of four categories---agg. assault, rape, robery and homicide---all decline by as much as 30 percent in some states, in a period of time following enactment of a concealed carry law. I believe (Bud, help me here) the period of time is 24 months.

and Illinois and Wisconsin are the only two states in the Union who don't have concealed carry laws.

regards
smitty

jeffreythree · 06-28-2008, 12:04 AM

jpw23, that is just a joke in my step mothers family. Her nephews would go around shooting everything that moved with old military ammo, but the idea of eating any of it offended them, even deer. They really liked it when a tracer round went off. One day we gathered up some rabbits and armadillos they shot. One pot of gumbo was chicken for us, the other had their special meat. After they cooled down they said "if you eat everything you shoot, you gonna eat a robber?" We did not know they were that smart.

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TS3660 · 06-28-2008, 11:26 AM

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agg. assault, rape, robery and homicide---all decline by as much as 30 percent in some states, in a period of time following enactment of a concealed carry law. I believe (Bud, help me here) the period of time is 24 months.

You are correct Smitty. The period of time is sometimes as quick as a month. Also, in the US, everywhere, bar none, that they have restricted legal guns in any way, crime has gone up. Always. And everywhere they have gone the other way (allowed more legal guns as in carry permits) crime has gone down. Always. Bar none. So, if deterring crime is the goal, it's an easy decision. But in reality, deterreing crime is not the goal. The goal is oppression, but they can't say that or people will be against it. So, they continue with the lie of blaming crime.

My favorite bumper sticker --- "If guns cause crime, spoons cause obesity."

SawDustJack · 06-29-2008, 11:29 PM

If you are armed you are a citizen , unarmed you are a subject ..

I remember many years ago , a Russian citizen was asked , how is it that the Communist party has a membership of 1% or less of the total population , yet they have a stranglehold on an entire nation ??

The answer ??

They have the guns ..

Like jpw I am a gun owner and hunter .. I will defend my family and not hesitate to trigga an intruder .. I also have a CCW , and I have a firearm within reach almost everywhere in the house ..

You really will find out why the guvmint wants to get rid of them , if it ever happens ..

And it aint to reduce crime ..